Cinco Minutitos with Profe
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Cinco Minutitos with Profe
El Chante with Majo: an interview with my sister!
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Maria Jose Ochoa Wiggins Aka Majo
My beautiful sister and best friend came on the show at our favorite place on earth. A white bench underneath a palm tree at the lake house.
Good conversations. I can’t wait to host her again to explore her more creative side!
I love you Majo!
Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Cinco Minutitos with Profe. Just a friendly reminder this season's about having guests on the podcast, so don't mind us going a little long. With that, I have a very beautiful guest, a person full of soul, a person who we both agree is understood. But her fiery knowledge and her ability to stand for what she believes in is what makes her a very strong person in my eyes, and she always keeps me grounded because she's not afraid of having hard conversations with me. So Majo, Maria José Otua Wiggins now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Uh she's here. Say hello.
SPEAKER_02Hello, everybody.
SPEAKER_00She's my sister, she's beautiful, and we're sitting here at maybe now I think my m my favorite, my favorite place in El Chante, this bench. We've cried here the last few days, huh?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, quite a bit.
SPEAKER_00You wanna talk about that a little bit? Miss anything that came to mind?
SPEAKER_02Not really. I think it's just nice to reconnect and like have good quality time with my brother one-on-one. I feel like as you grow up you don't get that often, and I think these are like cherished moments for sure.
SPEAKER_00I also think it's like our first one like that, where it was like you were feeling something deeply that you just expressed.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And today it was my turn.
SPEAKER_02Well, I think the first one since like since we since you went to college.
SPEAKER_00Sure.
SPEAKER_02Because I think in high school we have like when I would pick you up from school and stuff and singing in the car and you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so it's it's a beautiful thing too, because I also have a good relationship with my brother, and one of the things that you know we talked about yesterday on this bench was how we want to grow as a family. Um want to do like I I want to do sibling trips with you guys. We've talked about that. Where's one place you think we should go?
SPEAKER_02I don't know, where'd it be fun to go? I think it'd be fun to travel Mexico together.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_02Like just like small towns and like beaches and stuff.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that would be fun.
SPEAKER_00And then what's one thing you remember of us as siblings, even though we weren't so close for different reasons. But what's what's one thing you remember of us as a as a sibling group?
SPEAKER_02I just know like the core thing in in our relationship, I think, is that we'll just like go to bat for each other, even if we like hate each other in the moment. Like I like I, for example, have a better relationship with you than with our older brother, but like I if anybody ever talked bad about him or if anybody did anything to him, like I would be the first like fiercely protective of each other. I feel like we're so loyal, and I think that that's just really like always stuck with me. Like we would just always defend each other. Yeah, like when you got run over.
SPEAKER_00Oh, when I got run over, talking about the time I got run over here.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And like I just remember riding the bike so fast with Diego to the house. We're like, he got run over, and nothing happened to you.
SPEAKER_01Yelling at the guy.
SPEAKER_00Oh shoot, that's funny. Well, yeah, take us to a good moment of this place of chanting. Like, what does this place mean to you? Because obviously, this is your home now. And obviously, our conversation the other day was so tough, but I'm just grateful for you keeping this place afloat and making it better and giving it your own flavor because it's nice. Like, I feel like I come home now rather than like a place we've abandoned, you know, because we left here so abruptly.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So, what does this place mean to you? Like, what what do you remember? And what does it mean now as a mother and raising your kids like hooligans like we grew up?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I just think it's like a a safe haven, you know? And I think the reason why I would be like, and and like you said, I'm very passionate, and sometimes I I need to work on the way that I say things, but like I would always be like, But mom, this sucks. Like, we can't even shower comfortably, the water doesn't come out well, like the the matches are like 50 years old. What do you mean we haven't gotten even you know and like those were all things that like Nate and I were always willing to like put up to like fix it as even before we lived here, you know? Yes, and then when we were faced with the decision of that, like we were just like we want to make this feel uh like home for people that come here, particularly you guys, obviously, but like where we can just lay on the couch and be comfortable, not sit on those rock hard wooden couches that my grandma had.
SPEAKER_00Why why was old school furniture so uncomfortable? I don't understand.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I think they just because her dad's friends were like architects, they focused a lot on like design, aesthetic and all that. Yeah, but like you just want a big old couch to lay on and put your feet up at the end of the day, you know, and like and clean spaces and and not cluttered, and I just yeah, I just feel like it's like a little safe haven, and I did it obviously for my family, primarily because we live here, but I it's just it's for you guys, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, thank you. But what's uh what what's something about this place that sticks to you from when we were here as kids? I feel and we I've been joking about this, but like this is more home to me than Guadalajara. Like I feel at home here. I get here and I'm barefooted, I get here and I'm rolling mud balls with your kids, like I feel human here.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00How how does this place make you feel and what do you remember of your upbringing here?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I don't that's a good question. Because I feel like Guadalajara is a very complex city. Like, if you get into like all the ins and outs of it, like I can understand how you feel that way.
SPEAKER_00Um well, you also live there as a as a grown mature person, whereas I've never gotten that taste.
SPEAKER_02I I just feel like the concept of home for me is weird because I've it like I don't feel here or there, and I'm like I live somewhere, but I'm also too much of the other place to actually feel fully the other place, you know, so it's just like it's a weird feeling, and I think people are like always saying, Oh, we should feel blessed to have multiple places to call home. I'm like, yeah, but also like can we talk about like the in-between like how you're always feeling in between? And I think this is a place that I ultimately do consider my home, but also for me right now it feels an in-between because I know I'm moving to the US soon, you know, so it's just like it's weird, but um I don't know, I think here it was like our um I don't know, I think it was just like the place where we gathered and we were safe, you know, like it was a place where we invited friends and community. I think that's where my mom showed me to open up our home if we want to do community in life with people, and and and now I like I think this is what drives me crazy because I know that my parents struggled financially so much, yet people come and tell me that my mom would give them food every time she came. Yeah, that she would give them our clothes when she could sell them, that she could, you know, and I'm just like she did all that, and then she invited people and she fed the people and she hosted them, and I'm just like, how did they do it? Like, how and I just yeah, I don't know. I think it just like invited like it reminds me to like invite people into my life, whether I have abundance or whether I'm lacking.
SPEAKER_00I also think it's it's both, right? Because like you don't it's like the concept of you don't owe anybody anything, but if you can give, you'll give. Yeah, but also like my mom was also always like, We'll find a way, they won't.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so she like But you know what's even crazier is that for example, Maribel, and Maribel is the lady that lives on the land behind us, and she takes care of the house, and we've known her since we were born practically, but she always has food for everybody, and so there's a lady down the street who's whose family doesn't really take care of her, and she goes, she she goes, Oh, Tanchi, that's her name. She goes, Tanchi ran out of her government money because she's over here, and she's she comes over and she eats, and they just feed whoever. And like they threw me a birthday party with like music and karaoke and tacos, and and I know how much that cost for them, you know. So I think that also there's so much richness in giving when you don't have.
SPEAKER_00Can you can you expand on that? Because you have a perspective that I don't like now that you live here, you see the town for what it is, or m have a better idea of what this place is like today. Just to give you some context, there was a our aunts and uncles live next door to us, but there was a big event for you know, um, drug addiction and all that stuff, and using God to enlighten and enrich our lives, and there was hundreds of people there, like there was a big circle, and so can you talk about like what you've seen that's similar to that about like the spirit of the town? Because this place does feel magical, and I feel like we just witnessed that today. Do you have any insight other than you feeling integrated in it?
SPEAKER_02I just feel like they take care of each other. Like, if it doesn't matter who it is, if they're struggling, they're like when I'm for example, when I'm giving clothes out or taking stuff out to donate, she's like, Oh, I know this girl who's who just had a baby and blah blah blah blah, whatever. Okay, cool. And then like they just kind of are always thinking of other people before they are of themselves, which is crazy because they're not they're it's their world, you know, and they don't have money, they will never have the opportunities that we have. And I was thinking about it today how how crazy it is that now that they have phones, like they can desire other things and they can want other things, but the sad reality is they most likely will never have them.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, but then you then you see them get away from their phones and social like like this, or I see your birthday party, and I'm like, they're just happy to be there.
SPEAKER_02They're just happy to be there.
SPEAKER_00It's as simple as that, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they laugh so freely and they just don't care what anybody says, and they yeah, I most most people would think they're hammered and drunk and they're just themselves.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and that's that's so authentic.
SPEAKER_02I've never seen women laugh the way these women laugh. Legit. It's like the craziest thing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. It's hysteria.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00No, that's awesome. And then what's like what's a core memory of you of this place at Chante? Because I've been uploading podcasts about this place, but I I I appreciate your perspective because you you're in here more than me.
SPEAKER_02Like from when we were young?
SPEAKER_00Whatever, even now. I mean, you're a mother here, like it's awesome. I I'm telling you, I was running rolling mud balls with your kids today. I was I felt like I was ten, five years old again.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think it definitely giving my children this childhood as long as I can give it to them, it's a blessing. They're outside all the time, they play with the mum, they go throw rocks in the lake, they hardly ever watch TV, they eat healthy, they milk the goats. Like, I it's just they're learning so many things that other kids will probably never have the chance to do. Um, but one funny like core memory that I have is we have a cousin who her name is Monica, and she is the opposite of me. I'm short and uh curvy, and then she's tall and slim, and she would always want to wear my clothes, which obviously they didn't fit her, and had these pair of like bright red, like you know how they used to have like those little surfer shorts, but they were like really tiny on girls, and it was like red, and then it had white flowers, and then where you strap them was like a white strap, and she was like, I want to wear them, I wanna wear them. And I was like, They don't fit you, your butt is hanging out. She's like, I don't care, so she wore them anyways, and we rode our bikes all the way to the top of the hill. Because remember, it was cement before, and he would just lie down, and we were like going down with Isa, and we're just going, and we all of a sudden hear Moni go, Ah, and we were like, What happened?
SPEAKER_01And she goes, Somebody touched my butt, they grabbed my butt. I was like, Well, yeah, you're posing while she was riding the bike, yeah.
SPEAKER_02We're riding our buddies on it, so we grabbed her butt, and it was just the funniest thing, and I will never ever forget that. But also, like Isa and I were boy crazy, and the guys in the corner house were really handsome, and we would be in her quad driving it, and they would be in their little mo pen because they had a little mo pen, and I was like, crash, crash, crash, so they can come help us, and she would crash them, but they never helped us, they just keep going. Yeah, that's funny. There's a lot of like I don't remember a lot about my childhood, but uh for some reason the memories here I remember a lot.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I say the same all the time. That's why I feel so at home here. Yeah, um, yeah, this has been fun. Is there anything else you any like I ask my players? Uh, one of the most beautiful things I've come up as a coach is every morning because we get up early, I ask them for words of wisdom.
SPEAKER_01Huh.
SPEAKER_00Hey, and I pick a random guy every time. It's a random guy. Whoever's the most asleep, hey, words of wisdom, Connor, you know, whatever.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00If you have any words of wisdom for us today, take your time, go with it. Any words of wisdom.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think just define your convictions and live by them the best that you can. And give yourself grace because we're not perfect. Um and just know that we're that you're doing the best that you can with what you have. And I learned that when I became a mother.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Because I y used to judge my mom so hard, and I still sadly judge my dad very hard, but it just yeah, it's just trust that you're on the right path and that you're gonna make the best choice with the information that you have, and when you realize that maybe it wasn't the best choice, give yourself grace, um, and again pick your convictions and live strongly by them.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and give others grace then, huh?
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_00Well, I love you, Maho. You're the best sister in the world.
SPEAKER_02The best brother in the world, and you and Diego, that's right.
SPEAKER_00We love Diego.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00But thank you for joining me in this podcast. There's like twelve minutitos with profe, fourteen, good. But it's good. I like it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Anything else?
SPEAKER_02No, I hope you all have a good day and tune in later. Maybe we'll do a three a trio sibling podcast when we're in the US.
SPEAKER_00Maybe we'll record that one.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that'd be fun.
SPEAKER_00Alright, see you guys later. Thank you for tuning in. Bye.
